Brian Swanson & Dr. Michelle Mras
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Let’s talk business
and life.
Business casual with pearls of wisdom from the porch.
Brian and Michelle talk about running a business, working with people, and figuring things out as they go. Expect honest perspectives, lessons learned the hard way, and a few detours. The song titles are familiar. The conversations have a mind of their own.

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Business. Life. A little perspective.
Featured Episode · 269
Certainty or Growth?
You May Be Wrong But You May Be Right
When was the last time you questioned something you were sure about? Brian and Michelle talk about certainty, asking better questions, and giving yourself room to grow.
Meet Brian & Dr. Michelle Mras
Two perspectives.
One porch.
We don’t always see things the same way. That gives us plenty to talk about. Denim & Pearls brings our experiences, setbacks, and occasional disagreements into conversations about business and everyday life.
Brian Swanson
Entrepreneur · Speaker · Financial coach · DJ
Brian’s background includes military service, business ownership, and helping people work through money and business decisions. He brings those experiences to the porch, along with questions worth arguing over.
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Dr. Michelle Mras
International keynote speaker · Author · Coach
Michelle’s background spans engineering, quality systems, marketing, and life in a military family. She brings her experiences to conversations about intention, mindset, and the choices people make.
Visit Michelle’s Website“I love getting my D&P fix!” — Marcell B
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